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Post  raiko on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 01:04

I want to show you the result of this cross. This is the path to this point:

Gm/Gm S/S + wild (Manacapuru) = Gm/+ S/+ (50% Manacapuru) + ......

Gm/+ S/+ (50% Manacapuru) + wild (Manacapuru) = Gm/+ S/+ (75% Manacapuru) + ......

Gm/+ S/+ (75% Manacapuru) + wild (Manacapuru) = Gm/+ S/+ (87,5% Manacapuru) + .....

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Post  TONY,S ANGELS on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 08:19

They are rearly nice fish and look to still have a good size body to finnage size, Very interresting markings,
But i have to ask, what sort of colour are you trying to get to at the end of all your breeding. i.e
A new form of Koi if so it will be a realy strong fish.
al the best with your breeding Tony.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 11:25

They're looking really good Raiko.
Lovely shape, nice fins, great colour and interesting patterns!

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Post  Ghipsi on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 16:42

Stunning I must say! Looking forward to to next stage.
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Post  Grummie2 on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 16:59

It's very interesting to see the result of adding true red back genes into domesticated varieties. I'm sure there'll be even more superb specimens in the future! Keep up the good work Raiko!

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Post  jimmyjahooha on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 19:14

Good work Raiko! i'm with Toni - what direction are you going with this crossing?
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Post  raiko on Mon 13 Aug 2012, 00:21

Thanks for your comments!
When I started these crosses had no fixed plan for my work. The ultimate goal is to get a good body shape and coloring of my koi angelfish. I started to cross in different directions and to observe the results. The red color of my koi appear in the bottom half. (25% Manacapuru or F1 + Koi). Now I see that can get very good results not only in koi angelfish. In the last generation Silver Gold Marble Ghost (87,5% Manacapuru) appears very good yellow color in the upper half. In their generation must have 1/16 koi angelfish. It will be interesting to see them. I will continue with experiments.
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Post  raiko on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:35

This is one pair 25% Manacapuru (F1 + Koi) and in the last photo there are several of their young. I think it is possible to achieve very good results.

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Post  jimmyjahooha on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:16

stunning fish raiko!
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Post  Grummie2 on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:40

The red back genes from the manacapuru seem to be an addition to the expected red on a koi instead of just enhancing......maybe the 'red back' gene is a new gene to work with? It would be fascinating to cross these with the high orange coverage koi's they have in the USA....mmmmm!!!

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Post  jimmyjahooha on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:08

did any of the US HOK fish make it to the UK?
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