What should i get out of this pair

Hi can anybody tell me what i could expect to get from this pairing.The Female is a blue koi Gm/+ - S/S - pb/+ & the Male is Black D/+ -S/+ - pb/+.
This is a pair i am considering but im not sure if they will help with what im trying to get as my koi project is similar to lisa's in which im trying to get more coverage but its the blue in these thats makeing me think wether i want to introduce it to my none blue line.Any thoughts welcome.

Paul

Thanks Helen the calculator came up with these

# Genotypes Phenotypes %

1 +/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Ghost 3.125%
2 +/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Ghost 6.25%
3 +/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Blue ghost 3.125%
4 +/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Blushing 3.125%
5 +/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Blushing 6.25%
6 +/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Paraiba 3.125%
7 Gm/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Silver gold marble ghost 3.125%
8 Gm/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Silver gold marble ghost 6.25%
9 Gm/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Blue silver gold marble ghost 3.125%
10 Gm/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Blue koi 3.125%
11 Gm/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Blue koi 6.25%
12 Gm/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Paraiba 3.125%
13 D/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Black ghost 3.125%
14 D/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Black ghost 6.25%
15 D/+,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Black ghost pinoy 3.125%
16 D/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Turquoise blushing 3.125%
17 D/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Turquoise blushing 6.25%
18 D/+,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Turquoise blushing pinoy paraiba 3.125%
19 D/Gm,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Black hybrid ghost 3.125%
20 D/Gm,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Black hybrid ghost 6.25%
21 D/Gm,S/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Black hybrid ghost pinoy 3.125%
22 D/Gm,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,+/+ Black hybrid blushing 3.125%
23 D/Gm,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/+ Black hybrid 6.25%
24 D/Gm,S/S,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,+/+,+/+,pb/pb Black hybrid pinoy paraiba 3.125%

So quite a mix

# Phenotypes %
1 Ghost 9.375 %
2 Blue ghost 3.125 %
3 Blushing 9.375 %
4 Paraiba 6.25 %
5 Silver gold marble ghost 9.375 %
6 Blue silver gold marble ghost 3.125 %
7 Blue koi 9.375 %
8 Black ghost 9.375 %
9 Black ghost pinoy 3.125 %
10 Turquoise blushing 9.375 %
11 Turquoise blushing pinoy paraiba 3.125 %
12 Black hybrid ghost 9.375 %
13 Black hybrid ghost pinoy 3.125 %
14 Black hybrid blushing 3.125 %
15 Black hybrid 6.25 %
16 Black hybrid pinoy paraiba 3.125 %

But not really a mix i can use.

The Female is a blue koi Gm/+ - S/S - pb/+ & the Male is Black D/+ -S/+ - pb/+.

Out of curiosity, what strain has the pb in these come from? (eg KK, Singapore Blue, Wharmbys etc)
Lisa

uk bulldog wrote:Hi can anybody tell me what i could expect to get from this pairing.The Female is a blue koi Gm/+ - S/S - pb/+ & the Male is Black D/+ -S/+ - pb/+.
This is a pair i am considering but im not sure if they will help with what im trying to get as my koi project is similar to lisa's in which im trying to get more coverage but its the blue in these thats makeing me think wether i want to introduce it to my none blue line.Any thoughts welcome.

Paul

Wouldn't a Czech Red or Red Devil be what you're looking for to achieve this?

the trouble that many seem to be having is that 2 red devils bred together just isn't providing the coverage wanted, thats why I went for a female that has some unknown genes & my gamble payed off

Ghipsi wrote:

The Female is a blue koi Gm/+ - S/S - pb/+ & the Male is Black D/+ -S/+ - pb/+.

Out of curiosity, what strain has the pb in these come from? (eg KK, Singapore Blue, Wharmbys etc)
Lisa

Hi Lisa,to be honest i'm not sure as the breeder has both KK & Johns fish

[quote="endlessendlers"

Wouldn't a Czech Red or Red Devil be what you're looking for to achieve this?[/quote]

Hi Helen i have Red Devils & as Lisa has said 2 Red Devils dont always give the coverage, thats why im looking for a nice Koi female & the one that is part of the pair i have been offerd is carring the blue gene which i dont really want to introduce but they do give of plenty of other types i would be interested in if it wasnt for the reason i want.If i could get some Czech Reds i would but cant remember the last time i herd of anybody with some.

uk bulldog wrote:[quote="endlessendlers"

Wouldn't a Czech Red or Red Devil be what you're looking for to achieve this?

Hi Helen i have Red Devils & as Lisa has said 2 Red Devils dont always give the coverage, thats why im looking for a nice Koi female & the one that is part of the pair i have been offerd is carring the blue gene which i dont really want to introduce but they do give of plenty of other types i would be interested in if it wasnt for the reason i want.If i could get some Czech Reds i would but cant remember the last time i herd of anybody with some.[/quote]

You could always use the female koi with a different make who is void of pb. You would then have some offspring with no pb.

I've seen red devils on EBay. I know Amanda Trevarrow in South Wales used to have Czech Reds, but she no longer breeds. If I can find her contact details I will ask her if she knows where to get some.

Hi Paul. I've emailled Amanda, and will contact you when I receive a reply.

Czek Red is in Johns lines , especialy the Blue Koi.

endlessendlers wrote:Hi Paul. I've emailled Amanda, and will contact you when I receive a reply.

Thanks Helen

Ghipsi wrote:Czek Red is in Johns lines , especialy the Blue Koi.

Hi Lisa a lot of the blue Koi i have seen for sale claimeing to be from Johns lines all seem to have that rugbyball shape to them & i dont like that shape,i prefer a deeper & rounder shape to the body.