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Post  Pterophyllum on Wed 10 Dec 2014, 20:53

Really crummy photos taken with my phone & without flash, but guess what just arrived from Bulgaria! bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

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They're looking slightly stressed from their journey, but a few days in quarantine, and lots of food & I'm sure they'll soon recover.

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Post  Grummie2 on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 09:49

You lucky lucky man!!! Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  bridgegirl99 on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 11:53

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Post  Pterophyllum on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 15:35

They're not just for me, hopefully, once they're settled, and I picked my favourites, we'll have some left for sale too.

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Post  Grummie2 on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 15:57

Are they all the same variety, or is there a mix?

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Post  wildreddeer on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 16:12

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Post  Pterophyllum on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 16:20

This is what Raiko said about them :-

"Half of them are: D / + (D?) - bg / bg - 50% Manacapuru. The other half: D / + (D?) - bg / bg - pb / pb. It is also possible to have a single item: bg / bg - pb / pb and D / + - Z / + - p / p - bg / bg."

Looking at them there does seem to be some variation, you'll notice one of the ones in the photos showing partial stripes, there are a few pearlscales, there's at least one which appears to have a zebra gene.
To be honest, I haven't studied then too closely yet, because they're still rather skittish and I don't want to add to their stress, especially as there are a number which look very red on the nose and fins. I'm hoping this is down to ammonia build up on the journey, and maybe temperature fluctuation, but we're keeping a close eye on them.

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Post  Pterophyllum on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 16:21

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Have you set some tanks up again then Phil?

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Post  raiko on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 23:14

Hello from me! First I want to thank Rob for his assistance in this export.
Now I can show you photos of the parents of these fish.

(D/+ - bg/bg) x (D/+ - bg/bg)  ...   50% Manacapuru :

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(D/+ - pb/pb - bg/bg) x (D/+ - pb/pb - bg/bg) :

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Post  Pterophyllum on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 23:21

They're lovely parents Raiko, and the body shape and fins of the offspring are wonderful.

Raiko also sent over some black lace 93.75% manacapuru youngsters. i'm wondering how much red their parents show, or whether the black tends to mask the red?
Since Manacapurus only show their red as adults/subadults, these are too young to tell at the moment.

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Post  raiko on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 23:44

To be completely accurate, they are 93.75% wild blood. The father is: D/Gm  (87,5% Manacapuru) , the mother is Nanacapuru (75% Manacapuru, 25% Rio Nanay). This is the mother:

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This is their generation:

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Post  raiko on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 23:49

Now in my more big individuals, I noticed that the red color on the back is visible.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Thu 11 Dec 2014, 23:53

To be completely accurate, they are 93.75% wild blood. The father is: D/Gm (87,5% Manacapuru) , the mother is Nanacapuru (75% Manacapuru, 25% Rio Nanay).
even better!

in my more big individuals, I noticed that the red color on the back is visible.

Wonderful!


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Post  wildreddeer on Fri 12 Dec 2014, 09:34

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Have you set some tanks up again then Phil?

Unfortunately not Rob. I wish I could, but due to the lotion I use for my pains I can't. It kills the fish, that's what happened last time. It was awhile before we found out the course of the deaths. Mind you, I still have the tanks and equipment for when or if I no longer need to use the lotion.

And may I add.

Raiko, the parents look really true remarkable looking fish. You have to be proud of them.



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Post  Grummie2 on Fri 12 Dec 2014, 22:54

Beautiful, truly beautiful! They're a credit to you Raiko! I need to get some tanks emptied....

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Post  raiko on Sun 14 Dec 2014, 23:45

Thank you!
In the UK there are many good breeders, who will start working with the new gene.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Sat 20 Dec 2014, 15:19

In the UK there are many good breeders, who will start working with the new gene.

The quality of your fish is already excellent, they don't need much "work" but it's great to have them over here at last.

They seem to be settling down well now, and we'll be putting them on sale early in the New Year, but here are a few slightly better photos taken today....
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I'm interested to note that some are darker than others, and some of these show partial body banding, would I be correct in guessing that these are D/D individuals?


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Post  Grummie2 on Sun 21 Dec 2014, 10:28

They're looking good Rob!!! Are these the only import into the UK so far?

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Post  Pterophyllum on Sun 21 Dec 2014, 11:17

There's just been the one import into the UK, but they didn't all come to me. I don't know which other shops took some. In total Raiko sent about 300 of the Bulgarian Greens through the wholesaler I pm'ed you about. I've taken 45 of them.

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Post  Grummie2 on Sun 21 Dec 2014, 15:47

It'll be interesting to see where they turn up. We have dealt with them before, but its been a while, and just for CW.

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Post  raiko on Mon 22 Dec 2014, 23:34

Pterophyllum wrote:

....I'm interested to note that some are darker than others, and some of these show partial body banding, would I be correct in guessing that these are D/D individuals?

This is one possible embodiment. I still do not have enough experience and I have no answer for that. In my fish also varies in color and some fish visible black stripes and fish are darker. I think the change in the environment can also be a cause of the darkening.
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Post  Pterophyllum on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 22:30

Well I finally brought some of these home yesterday, and already they're looking very settled, although some still have red noses :-

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I also brought home six of the black lace, but they're still camera shy!




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Post  Grummie2 on Tue 13 Jan 2015, 22:26

I'm 'green' with envy !!!

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Post  Pterophyllum on Tue 13 Jan 2015, 23:11

Not long to wait till you get yours! Very Happy

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Post  Deans_Angels on Sun 18 Jan 2015, 23:44

Did their red 'snouts' clear up? I've been told that that's how they are (so perhaps it's not a stress / environmental problem).

Some greens turned up in my tank today :-) they went in fine, all fins proud. I haven't had a really good look at them yet, they're still in minimal light. I can't believe how big my other smokey zebra has grown.

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